Backhuysen, Ludolf - Christ in the Storm on th...
Backhuysen, Ludolf – Christ in the Storm on the Sea of Galilee – 1695 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I’ve been writing lately about the spirit of things—the mind of the Spirit, the spirit of love, gaining a clean spirit that can love even enemies, what constitutes a toxic, adulterous spirit, etc.

This week, I stumbled upon a radio interview with my favorite Christian author, Dr. Dallas Willard, that puts it all together in a wonderfully practical, down-to-earth way. I’d love to share the audio with you.

The radio host is Frank Pastore of KKLA 99.5 in Southern CA. His show is “The Intersection of Faith and Reason.” The interview is from May 18, 2011, but the topic is timeless (although it begins briefly with the “messy situation” between Arnold Schwartzenegger and his estranged wife, Maria Shriver, over his affair).

That sets the stage for the topic of confusion over forgiveness and love in all sorts of messy situations and relationships. What does it look like and how do you apply it? What does it mean to love enemies? Love yourself? How do you fire someone in Christian love? How do you discipline kids in Christian love? What do we do with anger?

A ton of insight is packed into this 39-minute audio clip (edited to be commercial-free). If real-life Christ-like love confuses you, as it does most of us, you probably don’t want to miss this little gem. You may not be suddenly blessing those who curse you, but at least you’ll have an idea of what direction to face.

Note: for Windows/Internet Explorer users like me (I know, I know…I should upgrade my browser), I found that the link didn’t work initially. But I simply closed the dialog box after Windows “diagnosed” the problem (no answer found), and the media player launched as intended. I don’t know—I can fly airplanes, but I’m a techno-peasant with computers. I should also look into getting a WordPress theme that can embed a media player right into the blog, but, honestly, childbirth seems easier.


Frank Pastore interview with Dallas Willard